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  1. Walt

    Walt Forum Greenhorn

    You and your warrior friends are just kidding yourselfs if you think that the problems i stated above or the ones that been said many times after r155 are non existent.

    I'm not sure what you mean with your last line, but I've been around for quite a long time in the game, it's just im not an active forum member.
  2. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    It seems that they have redone some things nicely. R158 is up on TS and while much of the new Ammon's set still needs to be localized, it it there. The only thing readable from the set bonus is for 5/6 you get 15% more HP from HP Spheres which could be rather nice in PvE. I'll post some pics later if no one else has in the test server threads.
  3. pydragons

    pydragons Padavan

    Hmm I got this information.

    2 Parts: 15% more Resistance
    3 Parts: 15% more Resistance
    4 Parts: +20% Health
    5 Parts: +20% Health
    6 Parts: +25% Damage

  4. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Don't believe everything you read.
    I can tell you from the test server that the 5/6 is for 15% more HP restored by HP Spheres. I can also tell you that there are two effects for 2/6. Also, I'm hoping that a set that has the term "invigorate" in it's code would be a little more interesting than a bunch of HP, Resist, and 1H damage (because 6/6 means that you'd be using the shield).

    Even more reason not to trust your source... They seem to only copy stuff that others post. I saw one of my screen shots that I shared on the forums on their feed from pre R155 (the stone temple guardian boots). They probably saw someone somewhere alleged those stats for the set bonuses and perpetuated the bad information. It would not surprise me that now that there is real information, the kind that is worked for by us DSO nuts, that it will likely end up there, but always remember, the most trustworthy source is your own two eyes, not someone else's say so.
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2015
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  5. pydragons

    pydragons Padavan

    I'm the last person who you should tell how to survive in the internet. Just tried to throw something on the table.
  6. pydragons

    pydragons Padavan

    I'm aware we should restrict our multiple posting but I decided as this s a question towards OP I should make a new post.

    Are there plans to improve the AI structure of the game? Any conversations regarding this going on in the team?

    Here is my elaboration. The current AI structure is very simple and focuses mainly on damage and health points from the monsters. While this system is simple and easy to code, the more content/items the game adds, the more damage and health the monsters will have. No additional behavior from the AI will be seen. Lor' Tac shows this fact very clearly. Of course monster skills are not part of a monster behavior, but rather as monster "weapons".

    I suspect FSM is used. May I suggest a Behavior Tree?
    Given the nature of BT system, the programmer can continuously add more behavior nodes to the tree, without braking the whole tree structure. Thus making smarter mobs with just few added nodes.
    This is not possible with FSM's as the more you add, the shakier it becomes, 10+ states and debugging is becoming impossible.
    Behavior Trees are used by most modern games including all of the major titles. Behavior Trees are also incredibly simple to code and understand, but providing a huge complexity for an entity behavior with an incredible simple way of control.

    In short:
    We are bound to face mobs with more damage and more health, just different skills but exactly the same core mechanic.
    Each new monsters will actually be the same monsters with just different look and maybe different skill. For me that's the same mob.
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  7. daywaker2

    daywaker2 Forum Demigod

    Warriors too weak lol even normal shots kill us easy)And that Warrior 14k Life and 80%Block)

    The 6k Draken weapon is not OP , if you play vs Op Mage. New frozen spere shot and warrior die easy.

    And think about one thing ,if you change any stats of this weapon you must give back all players the andermant for the 5th slot,Glyphs of power depends how much stages the players updated the weapon(so all players have different amount of glfs), and the draken+entry for gnob

    In my opinion the warrior is still weak)
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2015
  8. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Well of course you'll die easily if you try to tank the lighting strikes... That was not the level of skill that I'd have expected from a highly experienced DK doing a 1 on 1 fight with a mage.
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  9. fourtwenty68

    fourtwenty68 Board Analyst

    DK is not weak,in 5v5 level 50's , four of us were shooting a DK who had the flag and was flag sitting.and every shot his regen would increase his hp alot,
    took about 5 minutes to kill him,and thats four of us shooting at him.
    also using Sing n gaurdian,,the other players are rangers n a mech i think.
    but anyway,you need to know how to play a DK to do that much Regen.
    also there is a youtube vid on the DK regen somewhere.;)
    Drakensang Online B3rs3rk3r - 6k Draken - Weapon from Gnob - Testing copy/paste youtube
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2015
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  10. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    I agree with you Daywaker2, you are a weak player.
    You are not able at all to play, it's so evident.

    I guess Daywaker2 is weak with every PG it has in his hands.

    Haruki, please, can you give to Daywaker2's account a gift of 1 trillion andermants? Maybe he will stop to complain and spam in this thread in this pitiful way.
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  11. Dylannn

    Dylannn Board Analyst

    Come up with a nice video, my 2h mage (f2p) got more armor than this 'tank'.
    Ofc this warrior dies, if you try to tank every lightning strike lol. As I said skills change everything.

    @fourtwenty68 here you go.
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2015
  12. Shiladitya

    Shiladitya Padavan

    Dylann i cannot read the rank of the mage in and the dk berserker was fighting against, i dont know that language, could you please enlighten? also in the last part it seems everyone was spamming basic shots against a weapon which relies on block must be pure skill of berserker. :)
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  13. Dylannn

    Dylannn Board Analyst

    That's not what I wanted to show, I wanted to show that a DK with decent defense, and honestly, Daywaker got more than decent defense :D can use this weapon quite nicely. Even when this is about basic shots, lightning strikes are easy to dodge and Ice spheres harder, but still do-able. Now, where was I... Don't forget fireball's burn effects, and others also count for this effect, meaning that burning sometimes has no effect at all. (not that that is bad, just trying to make a statement there)

    About ranks sure you are right, not that high, but we can't say that PvP lvl's are as important as they used to be in the past. Ofc they make a difference, but that difference is smaller than before.

    Well, fact is that I'm annoyed when Daywaker (warrior with (probably) best stats) is trying to say that basic mage kills him with basic attacks. We all know that Daywaker wins that fight, and we all know that Daywaker is just whining as his win/lose ratio of 500+ (not sure about this, but it's high, maybe higher than this) is in danger, no one will tell me that DK can't win a battle anymore.
  14. -Skygazer-

    -Skygazer- Advanced

    Mate, the guy have spent what, about $50k on his toon, surely he should be winning EVERY match. How would you feel, if you had spent that much and were still having problems in PvP? He IS a different category and in his shoes, I would be really pizzed off, as I am sure anyone else. So, with all due respect, leave the guy alone.

    I said this before and I will say this again, I don't want any class to be OP, but in order to decently PvP, DKs always had to have gems 2-3 tiers higher than other classes... and now, even that doesn't help. I would need no Gnob mace if DKs were balanced. Please, refrain from saying "Skygazer is crying..." as you usually say about others.

    I have awesome ranger friends on our server, not only they are skilled, but their gear is superb, their gems.... put it this way.. the latest, and they do confirm that they can now equally tank DKs (with the same setup) and kill them.

    As Bigpappa said, we need to stop this pizzing at each other and start being constructive and to the point looking for a solution. It is no fun to fight a nerfed class (what I mean is, I would NOT find much joy in killing players from other classes, knowing that that class has been nerfed badly)

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  15. Dylannn

    Dylannn Board Analyst

    You seem to be such a nice person :D *cough*
    But really in every 3v3 game I play I often see warrior on top, in 1v1 they can win, I simply don't see the problem. Immortal players should not exist, that breaks the game. Daywaker told me earlier that he trained himself by playing 1v3 vs 3 Field Marshal-mages and that he always won, LOL. :D So yes that changes everything for me. Just because he can't win this 1v3 anymore means that his DK is crap? :D No not at all, honestly R155 was 2 and a half months ago, of course shitt is unbalanced, that doesn't mean they're not working on it, and that doesn't mean that he has to try and say that 5 times in a row. You CAN'T DENY that warriors were the OP class before R155. Rangers had no chance vs tanks. How long did they have to wait? How many times did they get spit by other players calling them "noobs who cry because they lose"?

    With all due respect, but I have the right to state my opinion here.

    Cheers :D
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  16. -Skygazer-

    -Skygazer- Advanced

    Dylannn, I meant no offence, and I am sorry if I did offend you inadvertently. If you took it that way, it naturally makes you not being receptive to what I was trying to say. We can't be bringing Daywaker into this equation, he is in a category of his own.

    It's a shame that once again players come to slamming each other on the forum.
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2015
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  17. @Bearer-of-Death I do understand that you were not deliberately attempting to entice forum users to visit the phishing site that you linked to, and you removed it voluntarily, .... but if you ever post such a link again, the consequences will be severe and final.

    Now... while I am here, I may as well address the rest of your post.

    1) if you (or any other forum users) have got suggestions that you would like to see implemented in the game, the correct section to post your ideas in is the Creative Corner. There, other forum users can read the suggestion and appraise it and make suggested improvements, etc. Or tear it to shreds and use it as kitty litter. If the idea seems viable, we pick it up from there and include it in the Weekly Report. That is passed along with our recommendation directly to the CMs and EN ICM and forwarded on to the appropriate internal team(s). We do not pick up suggestions from the "Ask the CM" thread as that is not the purpose of this thread.

    2) we do not generally moderate in this thread. You may consider this thread to be a bit like Switzerland, but with fewer goats and less chocolate. Mmmmmmm.... chocolate! this is because:
    a) this section is intended for forum users to have uncensored direct access to the CMs and
    b) although all the CM language threads are on this forum, only the English admins can moderate here. Which would make it a bit unfair if we meddled with the EN CM thread while people were free to run naked and wild in the streets in the other CM threads.


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    No...wait.. "The Ghost in the Machine". Yeah, that sounds more cool. BUZZ! Damn!
  18. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Dear archers, congrats on getting more HP than mages again, with the 158. guess yall were right in saying mages were OP.
  19. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    I agree also with you, sebastian.
    If you can't win against a ranger with your 1-shot-and-die attacks, we can all agree that you are a weak player too. Like Daywaker.

    Haruki, just found another account that needs some andermants as gift. Please read above post and have fun :D:D:D
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  20. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    You are such a clever guy) congrats)

    It's like you know who I am, know how I play, read all my nonsense arguments and thats your scientific wrap-up)

    Daywaker, yeah, that was some of the beautiest lighting strike tanking i've seen recently))

    Btw, I agree on tanks. Archers had not a lot of chances against them 1v1 pre 155. Now they've got some power to fight warriors. What they can do with mages with such a power is whole another story. But guess any complains here will get a nonsense sarcasm kind of a reply, with clever=zero arguments. And I don't care anymore to be honest) have fun playing this quake like nonsense pvp with noobs being able to do crazy things despite no glyphs no gems no experience thanks to crazy damage numbers on their skills (that includes some dumb win or die 2h mages as well). You enjoy this mess, have fun then
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2015
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