Ideological gaming

I have a problem and it bugs me. It prevents me from playing this game. The problem is ideological as i say in the title. What is the problem? Its the fact that we can Break Stun........!!!

I dont really ask to change this cause i know it requires work and there are very very very few people (like me) that may find this annoying (ideologically). So its just not worth it. Im just sharing my point of view, which i believe is decent.

Ill try to explain by saying that it just doesnt make sense! Its against logic! and against basic principles that should not be broken. I know, i know what you are thinking, you are thinking that its just a game, its fantasy and all that. Trust me i have heard it many times. BUT people forget the fact that even games and even fantasies have their own principles. For example. Why DK is using a melee weapon instead of range? why ranger is using a bow instead of melee weapon? Why a monster that has a turtle form walks slower than one that has a rabbit form? Do u see what im trying to say? Even if a game is fantasy it still depends on principles that form the game. DK is a Knight and as we all know knights used to fight in melee and not with bows. With the thinking: Oh come on!! its just a game, its a fantasy we can simply remove that restriction and make DK use bows, dig in the ground and plant seeds that poison his enemies. So the class will end up losing its identity. No matter how much fantasy, your game HAS to make sense at some degree.
In general, the world of your game is what sets the principles. For example, is it modern world? is it middle ages? What is it? Those things are the principles on which u will build your game.

Soooo, coming back to Break Stun. Being stunned is considered the state under which YOU are UNABLE to HELP yourself. Someone outside of you COULD help you! could break your stun! But you, you CANT help yourself and break your own stun. For me, this is a principle that should not be broken. Its an example that fits with the above. Principles make decent human beings as well as decent games.

And as i said in the very begining. I dont ask for change. Although i would like to see it changing... I UNDERSTAND why its not worth it! so im just sharing my point of view....

Hope this helps someone in some way.

 

@Vazful I hear you, bro. I get where you're coming from. I mean: all other aspects of DSO are like totally realistic and stuff:. e.g.

SWs can cast frosty winds, summon guardians and bring down meteors just like they do in real life;
Rangers can summon wolf packs and tree ents and birds and thorny thickets and have bottomless quivers firing an endless supply of arrows;
DKs can bang their weapon on the ground and split it open causing dmg and stuns to all hit (except for friendlies, of course), and dance around in a big circle slashing at everyone in order to recover HPs, and give foes a Liverpool Kiss to stun them while never getting dazed themselves;
midgets can summon awesome machine gun turrets out of thin air to do nice dmg, have guns with limitless ammo, etc, and turn themself into a big iron golem thingie for a while

i.e. all those things which people do in real life. But breaking a stun (sort of like a footy player or boxer shaking off a daze after a hard hit) is just soooo silly and unbelievable that it brings down the whole game.

 

Some recover faster from Tasers, but they all fall down at about the same rate.

 

You are a good example of the people i mention above, trying to act all cool and pretentious.

I accept MAGIC as something that cannot really be defined. Its like GOD, i dont denie its existence but neither do i accept it. So im neutral to it. I simply say i dont know and i cant know. Even my approach to god is based on logical assumption. And thats also how i approach magic BUT always keeping in mind that MAGIC is something u control, either passively or actively. With this thinking all the skills u mentioned trying to act smart do make sense.

Although i DONT like guns in fantasy games i can say that even machine guns make sense. Machine guns are nothing but materials of the earth. So maybe midgets know how to control that source of power and are able to summon those guns. There goes fantasy for you!

NOW when it comes to stun. As i said, being stunned is the state under which YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OF YOURSELF. And because YOU DONT HAVE CONTROL of yourself (you are unconscious) you cannot DO anything... It makes sense to cure yourself from a curse that poisons you, weakens you, etc but not when u are stunned. Why? because in order to control the source of power called MAGIC you first need to be conscious yourself.
It would be KIND of easier to justify the stun breaking if the skill was passive, but its active and u MUST (while unconscious???) press the button!!

Considering the mocking.... Im prob more creative than most of you could ever imagine. And its funny that EVERY SINGLE game forum has its specific number of EDIT , pretentious people with serious attention issues. Common thing nowadays.

The only way i can accept this idea of breaking your own stun while you are stunned is if someone disproves me. Then, yes ill gladly accept my defeat. Until then.

 

@Vazful Magic can be defined. And so too can gods: mystical supernatural woo-woo stuff that has no basis in logic or reality. But religo debates are a bit off topic and verboten in this forum.

As for the rest of your rant, I'm really not sure why you're so peeved. I was agreeing with you. I mean: we see people walking along the street every day casting fireballs and summoning meteors and friendly combat trees and turning into giant iron golems and slashing monsters in order to recover HPs, etc, but I have never heard of anyone (e.g. a boxer or footy player) shaking off the effects of a stunning blow - they just lay there on the ground until the count-down has finished. That kind of thing (recovering from a stun) is just silly and has no place in a serious reality-based fantasy game.

 

You seem to be mixing up "stun" an "knockout."

Stun: (v) knock unconscious or into a dazed or semiconscious state (emphasis added)
Knockout: (n) the act of rendering unconscious

Who are you to say that the suns in this game do not simply daze the player or put into a semiconscious state from which the player could use a skill to recover? Plus, If you were truly unconscious, how would you recover naturally in 2 seconds (or what ever the duration is). The time that you are stunned is not how long it takes for you to wake up, it is a mater of how long it takes you to shake it off.

Your argument makes no sense what so ever, but,if you are so against the idea, I'd recommend that you role-play to improve the "realism" of your gaming experience and not use those skills on a mater of principal.
P.S. If you take this path, I'd recommend you stay away from PvP, PWs, and any high level map where the big bad monsters may use skills that stun.

 

There is a safety device worn medically and can be purchased that sends a loud high pitched tone when the device is out of horizontal tolerance. It is used primarily by truck drivers and others with sleeping disorders so that when the head tilts the tone goes off and wakes them. I have one on my helm. I also have one that detects cold. They however have a cooldown and can't be used in quick resets as the capacitors are recharged.

BTW my neighbor is a dwarf, he carries a staff around but I havent asked him what it does. There are however very few cats left in the neighborhood. But that may be the lady that lives across the street. I've been afraid to ask her though cause the lights in her house are never on. NEVER! I have suspicions her and the dwarf are working together.

 

Is this on Hagastove Lane which leads to Hagastove Grotto? I've heard about that dwarf. Isn't he the rotund wee fellow with the Stick of Truth? As for the old lady: an investigative reporter went to her house asking about the stray cats a few years back. No leads so far....

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You have a very specialized view of stuns, not in common use.
Consciousness implies an external awareness, the physical body, the senses, surroundings, environment, something not of an isolated mind. You can be conscious but paralyzed physically.
Stuns are physical, but not necessarily mental. Blows can temporarily disable or paralyze motor nerves, breathing, even heart function, and leave the mind intact but helpless inside a useless body. It is scary, if but for a millisecond. If a stun lasts long enough to vital functions, the body dies. Many martial arts use stuns to manipulate opponents.
True, there are emotional stuns, like shock, that temporarily reduce or redirect brain functions, but that is a different issue.
Unconscious is a threshold event, when the mind-body link goes to limited state. It could be in a sleep mode, for repair and learning, It could be deep coma, but the brain still functions in specialized ways. In between are dreams; dreams you remember are partial consciousness, but still with limited physical paralysis. In deep sleep the body is paralyzed, so your dreams don't get you into danger.

So, to the point. Depending on the level of stun, you can still think. And if you can still think, you can still apply some forms of magic or prayer, even if you can't speak it. In DSO, magic needs to be spoken, but you can still plan as well, what to do when the paralysis lifts. Breaking a stun can be a completely mental event, just like waking up, or breaking an emotional stun in real life.