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  1. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I could always simplify it to:

    On Base Stats:
    Big numbers between 90% and 100%: Good (Gold)
    OK numbers between 50% and 90%: OK (Not gold)
    Low numbers between 0% and 50%: Bad

    On Enchantments
    Big numbers between 83.33% and 100%: Awesome (Platinum)
    Good numbers between 75% and 83.33%: The goal (Gold)
    Meh lines between 50% and 75%: ok for the 4th line in a 3.5 gold line legendary.
    Low numbers between 0% and 50%: Bad
    They don't... check out the crafting 2.0 thread... some of my old values have SQ (I'm going to start using this... see if it catches on) of over 7000%.
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  2. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Duke

    I think it was me who started to make it look more complicated than it really is. It's actually simple.
    A common player just needs to know that the higher the % value in round brackets, the better the item is. It's intuitive. I was just confused what exactly that value means, which is something that players don't really need to know.

    I <3 this new feature, it makes everything so much clearer.
    Now you can immediately see if your T7 adornment has crappy base crit value compared to a T1 you've just got from a boss, and you don't need to do any calculations or any workarounds on the workbench or in the blacksmith's upgrade window, etc.
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  3. gbit

    gbit Count Count

    I'm sorry to say this, but it's not right: as you and couda22 says before the max value for enchantement is 100%, but on the range from min value to max value, so we cannot divide it per 1.2. the range start from min value and is obviously shorter then 0 to max value, and the max golden value wil be no more at 83.33%; it will be little less.
    i've found the min value for almost all enchantements using the formula
    for %IdotI I found that the min value is 9.8 (not exact, is rounded) and the max gold value have a quality percentage of 81.536, that rounded by the game give 82% (I see this on one of my items).
    is this correct for you? please tell me if you find mistakes in my reasonement.
  4. Dzungla

    Dzungla Forum Pro

    As I said, it is useful information and really big shortcut for measuring the risks for spending/losing Augment&Crafting cores.

    At first it just looks a bit funny but if you don't pay attention, you could skip some good lines because now they are less notable on defaul view.

    Second - really I don't like this:


    This is one item with default and advanced view and it's far from precise info on the left pic. New platinum ts max is 9,200 if I remember correctly and this value on right pic is faaaaar from it.

    In case that someone want to craft 1/1/1/0 pink > leg platinum craft can accidentally loose higher value ( examle: 8,755 > 8,573 but both are 9% )
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  5. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Overlooker

    That's I why I immediatly after the update changed my settings so that the advanced view is default.
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2019
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  6. menestrelul

    menestrelul Forum Apprentice

    For the bases values, the percentages are welcome. Helps a lot.
    On Enchantments they are useless, even confuses... they are already differentiated by colors.
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  7. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    I don't know what triggered you for the hostility :D I was just asking if you are sure what you were saying ... but if you want to pick up a fight ... I am the man for it :cool:
    The question was very simple ... "best pet combination when only physical damage dealers are present".
    I will point out once again group of rangers ... since I know their skills are all dealing Physical Damage (poison damage skills like ToT or upgraded HA are not working with bosses ... and no one is stupid enough to fight bosses only with traps).
    First let me point out of the devs' flaw ... there is no indication whatsoever that these dolls are actually working. Heredur Doll had both visual and sound indicator it was working. ATM there is no indicator whatsoever ... only those players who are likely to test it can find out if they are working or not ... but the average majority of the players can't tell. On top of it ... the last working mechanics with Heredur Doll I am aware of ... were working in such way that there was cooldown on the effect. After few seconds the effect was not working ... so it would start working again after some time. But lets assume the effect is constant and the pet is actually working.
    Your assumption "Asar + Heredur" for the best combination is wrong!
    But since ...
    ... you can't understand simplest forms and terms like gogo and gaga ... in lack of simpler vocabulary I will have to use pictures :D
    Without Pet - damage = 113

    With Heredur Doll - damage = 128

    With Asar Doll - damage = 133

    With Raptor Pet - damage = 146

    All pets are at highest legendary tier.
    That means Raptor > Asar > Heredur ...
    ... which probably means Asar + Raptor(s) is the best combination??

    When using different pets apart form Heredur Doll the other (new) dolls don't stack because there is nothing to stack ... they are having different effects. But they can be used for inefficient mixed effect when different classes are using different skills with different elemental/physical damage.

    Of course you had ... we are all starting with 1H build on tutorial maps :)
    Long time? Long time ... like 3 weeks or 3 months ago?
    Otherwise what is the meaning of "long time ago" when you had no RoyalBlues?

    Not to mention that different items have different base stat range ... it would only work if you are comparing exactly same type of items of exactly the same rarity.
    That goes for "Ring Compare" feature too.
    Noob :D ... you can change the view in the settings :p
    It is not working on Workbench when crafting.
    You can see them up to 3 decimals on the final item ... but you would never tell where are they coming from (even if they are highlighted) since the ingredient items have rounded values.
    On top of it ... it is not working on Unique Enchantments (unique enchantments that have range) and some particular type of enchantments.
    But in overall both are good features that need further polishing. (unlike CV or New equipment notification features )
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2019
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  8. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    wrong best combo is to call smb to use asar ,smb heredur while u use raptor XD
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  9. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    shhh ... I am still asking questions ;) note the "??"
    As for the raptor it will still remain my only selection for solo playing XD
  10. Antenor

    Antenor Forum Apprentice

    because raptor is a global 23%
    if you have 200 damage, 23% is very big (+46 !! 23 % global)
    if you have 50k no ess .... 23% raptor is _only_ 3-4k max(?)... (+6/8%(?) global)

    now, what the best ? (alone)
    50k on a boss -18%def (asar)
    or 54k on à boss no malus ? ^^ (raptor)

    and for 100k+ ?? (red) ^^

    Bigger are your damage, better asar will be welcome
    for 3 or more players, no problem^^
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  11. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    True ... that is why the pet usage and the combos are different for different players/classes.
    You might have 50K base damage while I might have 500 :)
  12. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Demigod

    so those new pets introduced in the last DtU event don't work?
  13. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    That's your problem, you think you know everything about people and you take things for granted.
    It's not that I did not have a Royal Sapphire, I didn't even had a Flawed one, because I started playing days after they stopped dropping.
    I played for 1 year and a half in a guild where everyone used 1h builds, and I played like that this year and a half (and more time after leaving the guild and preparing items before doing the change).
    Then I got stuck and reached the point where I knew that I was only going to be able to make specific improvements without enough importance to make it worthwhile.
    All the other players were playing for years the game and they had sapphires, know what, I ended up having the same statistics and possibilities as them for the possible builds. They having sapphires? Worth nothing.
    After that year and a half I thought about how to make the transition to 2h in order to continue improving my character and surpass myself.
    So no, I did not use 1 hand for 3 months to get to 55 and change equipment.
    And no, I had no sapphires because I started playing later but I played long enough with 1h builds, I perfected that build all I could, playing with people who had sapphires and played 1h builds ever to know that is not worth enough and that the change they did on runes is even better than your purpose.

    I had more time 1h build than the 2h one.
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2019
  14. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Fair enough :)
    Who said they are not working?
    Not me ...
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  15. Dzungla

    Dzungla Forum Pro

    So and I but the point is that I don't see the point of rounding +/- 0.5! Saving space?

    That's what you get when you worry that someone could make mistake!! :rolleyes: :D

    Did i say "I" or "somebody"!? XD
  16. deliburan78

    deliburan78 Advanced

    Best way - tank use heredur pet , all damagers use raptor ( or not ) ;)
    From such "thin" bills this game has suffered for quite some time.
    The correct question here is this: Can the other players in the group make the respective level of difficulty alone or at least one level lower?
    If they can't - all other calculations are irrelevant. Cheers!

    @MaxDisappointed : I'm not top pro donor , I'm not a noob too , I don't have x5 blue royalle onyxes,i'm F2P player, but I also can play without Arahna pet in inf 3-4 mode with 80% crit rate in inf 3 & up to 70% in inf 4.
    When we talk about inf 3-4 farm , I always use 20k HP buff - for economic reasons. I'm left with the second combination- pet + second 2 hours buff , to finalize mine settings for that difficulty.
    It is worth mentioning here that every thing has a price, when we increase or decrease a status, it is always at the expense of another status. My calculations are always in favor of Arahna pet + conc /dmg /more hp or speed % buff . I use full dmg helmet btw.
    The next lvl of personal tuning is experience & wisdom tree points , 1 settings for map cleaning , second - for boss fight . 90% + from players don't make this , noobs - because they are noobs , pros - because they are too powerfull or lazy .
    I know that , if I have x5 blue royale onixs - then I don't need any additional crit rate bonus - base stats from x2 rings ~2k x2 + adornment ~2k with 120% enchant + cloack stats & runes +arahna pet give ~26k crit rate which is enough for inf 3 -4 farm.
    Then I can use Khalis cloack for 10% more dmg ,without losing anything else.
    All calculations show a worse result without Arahna pet for me!
    In this situation Arahna pet improve mine crit rate , but mine group skill boost all of group members too .This is the next step of group tuning... ;)Ranger skill for DB is perfect for map cleaning , for bosses don't work good. Best group skill for boss -> adrenaline with q8 armor !
    Resistance- the same situations - usefull in specific situations or bosses, in the rest - totally useless.
    Group speed buff 21% - usefull for noobs , for another gays - useless.
    Group net skill- usefull for tank only.
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2019
  17. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Veteran

    Am glad everyone is happy about the new values % calc etc etc
    But instead of adding to the murky math waters <-- and they are murky
    Please tell me that this makes Sargon real?

    Would that mean a viable 1h build for PVE and PVP?
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  18. westernranger

    westernranger Someday Author

    I hope that's not final "fix" of exploit with "infinite" crescerite, 'cause you still can use it once a day for each pet :confused: No more need to add crescerite to events, leaderboards or whatever :confused: Any newcomer would easily make 4+ legendary pets in a month (Fennec pet).
    I think, that make trading pets as items "Not for sale" would be better fix (there is no more need of selling pets, since we can melt them).
  19. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Once you add the pet to the CB it disappears from the store, if you don't add the pet to CB you can't melt it.

    Not for PvP since they are preparing changs for next release and there will be an specific pre-set only usable for PvP and you can't change to other but just tier up this specific set.
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2019
  20. westernranger

    westernranger Someday Author

    I know that, but I've reported an exploit, which allow you to buy as many pets as you wanna, and then melt 'em all. In r217_6 there is partial fix, which doesn't solve main problem (you can buy as many pets as you wanna but one time per day, so if you do that with Fennec, you would get 31 pets in a month, thats 30*20 = 600 crescerite, add 1 to CB, melt others, and ta-daaa -- no more need of crescerite).
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2019
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